My playing/learning style

I’ve been playing the shamisen for almost 3 months now. So far I can only play Rokudan 1st and 2nd part), Ringo Bushi, and Kuroishi Yosare Bushi. Once an awhile I’ll play other song trying to figure out.

I only got good at Rokudan is because I had the music notes in front of me and I played the song (lots of times) at the same time I listen to other players.

Song that are from Shamisen of Japan for example Aiya Bushi and Jongar Bushi - don’t really sound that close. Then again Kevin K. Kyle A. And other

Other players. Tell me that they add their own techique. And it not from the original.

My problem is I can’t pick up by hearing (I have a very hard time)

If I have he notes and the notes are almost accurate to the song on YouTube, then I can start jamming like crazy.

(That why I post video on the song I like, but there’a no notations - without notation of the song - I can’t play for shit “excuse my language” but it’s the truth.

If the song Rokudan notation wasn’t very accurate to YouTube videos - I wouldn’t be abl to play at all. I have a weird way of learning (my hearing sucks but if I have the correct notation and listen ten I can pick up)

I can understand your frustration. I also learn a lot better when I have some sheet music in front of me to reference. It’s still pretty hard then because it’s hard to keep up with the speed of those great players we want to sound like. Without a teacher it can be pretty hard to get access to examples of pieces played slowly.

I think others here have said it before, but I would say work with the materials you have for now. The sheet music in the book may include songs you’re not very interested in playing, and the songs you do like won’t sound like the versions you aspire to. This is inevitable. But just like with any instrument, you can’t expect to be able to start with the most amazing pieces. You don’t start learning piano with Chopin’s Fantasie Impromptu, you don’t start learning guitar with Stairway to Heaven, etc. You start with Mary Had a Little Lamb and Hot Cross Buns. It’s a process.

First, you have to teach your muscles how to perform the required motions, and this works best with simple exercises and techniques. This is usually done through simple pieces. Then you have to build up your repertoire of techniques and phrases by learning a variety of slightly more complex pieces. If you’re working within a particular style, you gradually pick up its nuances, its common phrases and runs. With this combination of physical ability and understanding, you become able to play more advanced pieces.

Jonkara Bushi and Aiya Bushi, especially the way we aspire to play them, are very advanced pieces. Attempting to jump right into them can be very intimidating and frustrating, and I think you’re feeling that. Like others have explained, not only are these pieces difficult to start with, but most players add their own touches to the piece. This can mean anything from adding little flourishes to restructuring the entire piece. They’re also often improvised, so you’re just not gonna find sheet music of it anywhere.

What people have said is work on understanding the foundation of a piece, the original folk song version. If you understand that, then you’ll be able to see what people are basing their improvisations on, and you’ll be able to better pick apart what they’re doing. However, you also need strong technical ability and familiarity with the style. Without that, it’s almost hopeless.

If you start with the sheet music in the book, you will build up a repertoire of techniques. Then later, when you listen to a great player, you’ll be able to go “Hey, I know what they’re doing because I’ve done it myself!” Even when you hear something completely new, you’ll be able to break it down.

Maybe you already know all this, but I thought I’d lay it out anyway. Relax a bit, man. Work with what you’ve got before you jump up to the crazy stuff.

Kevin, when you plays a musical instrument you need something more important than a music sheet, and I think, reading you in the forum, that you didn´t have. this important thing its patience.

Why you open thread after thread, when in the first one a lot of people and good samishen´s players have take the time to answer you and you didnt appreciate this. With all this threads you are saying that ther answers are not good. With your actitude, you are Lacking respect to them, your attitude says that to them.

Shamisen and shamisen´s word, I think, have a link with japanese culture (captain Obvious dixit :slight_smile: ). In japanese culture, not only what you say but also with your actions, you need to respect and think what will offend others. And this is totally personal, but I think if you take this this thinking, you will be more closer to an appropiate shamisen´s playing. this is the way of the bachi. this is bachido, all things are important in this way, like in bushido, every aspect of this its important. Its my way of see it. Please think about it.

Skill comes with practice.
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