New to Bachido, New to Shamisen

Hi everyone.

First off, I really want to thank Kyle Abbott and the rest of the staff for putting together this resource (much more than just a store) for shamisen enthusiasts. I am classical guitar and ukulele player and have been increasingly drawn to this instrument. After spending some time listening to a duo playing shamisen in Little Tokyo here in Los Angeles, I started to think about buying one.

I would find out that it is very difficult to find anywhere to buy the instrument in person in all of Southern California. Of course that led to the internet and seeing the high prices on eBay and the few handful of stores that sell online - in English. But in searching, I came to learn about the styles of shamisen; the differences to similar instruments like Okinawa’s sanshin; the story behind the Tsugaru style (wow Yoshia Brothers); as well as specifics on the instrument itself - much of which came from videos and articles on Bachido.

So I got lucky!!! … I think. Well, either someone was very kind to me or very mean to me LOL. I found this shamisen on eBay which I put in a very low offer of $400 (asking was closer to $700) along with a message clarifying I didn’t mean to insult the seller but it’s all I had to spend and s/he accepted!! Here are pictures …

What do you folks think of this shamisen? The seller describes it with a thicker neck which I think is Futozao and good for Tsugaru style. I also had not seen a shamisen with a light color wood like this before. Anyway, I do hope it’s a worthy shamisen to learn on.

Thanks for reading and looking forward to sharing shamisen knowledge and experiences!

Welcome aboard!

That looks pretty nice! The wooden bachi and the thickness of the skin lead me to believe this is a minyo shamisen, though don’t quote me on that. Some guys here in Bachido are way better at identifying shamisen than me haha.

If it sounds good, you can learn on it and enjoy it no matter what type it is, really. The Bousama (the old blind monks that are credited as the origin of the Tsugaru style) would often play Tsugaru pieces on a hosozao shamisen. And it looks nice - I think you can get a lot out of it :slight_smile:

I look forward to hearing about your shamisen journey! I hope you enjoy :smiley:

Thanks for the welcome Ian! Man I’m so anxious to get this shamisen. I’ve been devouring all sorts of info on the instrument until it arrives lol.

Hullo Rob,

A casual look at the instrument tells me a few things:

There is no azuma sawari; it has only a basic yama-sawari. This suggests nagauta and cheaper/older examples of other variants depending on other characteristics.

The hatomune (curve of the neck into the body) is inconsistent with typical minyo, jiuta, and tsugaru examples. It is consistent with gidayu, kouta (hauta), and nagauta.

The skinning doesn’t continue deep enough onto the edges of the body to be consistent with typical tsugaru or gidayu skinning. As Ian said, it is much more in line with min’yo or nagauta.

The presence of four holes on the skin may be indicative of a natural (read: cat or dog) skin. It is usually indicative of a cat skin - provided they’re actually holes and not cosmetic dots, they’re the animal’s nipples.

Without knowing the specific dimensions it’s difficult to parse much more than this.

My gut says its a nagauta or hauta.

If you give me some measurements, I can identify it a little more cleanly. As well, if you look under the doukake (arm rest) you may find a symbol written that will tell you the size of the body.

津軽・五分大 Tsugaru/Go Bu Dai
地唄・一分五厘大 Jiuta / Ichi Go Bu Dai
民謡・小唄・端唄・五厘大 Minyo/Kouta / Hauta / Go Rin Dai
長唄 Nagauta

One last thing I’d point out is the material of the shamisen itself.

I’m not 100% on this by any means, but that might be 白紅木. Which would be very neat. That the itomaki are made of the same wood as the sao has me wondering if that’s the case.

http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~kasiwaya/topics/sirokouki/sirokouki1.htm

http://ameblo.jp/fujimoto-sae/image-11321760606-12119972282.html

I’m struggling to compare it due to lighting differences, so take a look at the above link. Shiro-Kouki is a light, creamy yellow.

Also, found your e-bay listing.

The seller’s comment about “later models” might be about the change in hosozao shamisen towards slightly wider necks (~2.6 cm, blurring the lines between it and chuuzao) as opposed to the older models which were actually thinner!

Just … WOW. Christopher thank you so much. I have studied your response multiple times and I’m sure many more through the day. As soon as the shamisen arrives I will absolutely provide more measurements.

It’s interesting because for classical guitar and ukulele, background information on the instrument for me is always fascinating - the tonewood, the bracing system, bookmatching, luthier history and location, etc. It’s the same thing again with shamisen but … involving cat nipple holes. You just can’t make that ish up man!!

I am excited to learn as much about the shamisen, the luthiery (what is the Japanese equivalent?), and the culture and you guys are making it that much more easy. Arigatou gozaimasu!!!

Oh I like this instrument lol. I really like playing it and I like the instrument I got too. I think I got really lucky with a genuinely decent ebay seller. The packaging was impeccable. The dude even put blue tape at the ends of clear tape for easier removal lol!!

Here are all the parts …

A bunch of stuff including the hand protector thingy and a sweet little case for the two bridges and an extra set of dark itomakis …

And all setup …

I had some spare rub on cheater dots from when I was learning classical guitar so I used those for position markers. I just went 3, 7, and 12 like on a guitar lol …

I used a tuner to identify the positions. I somehow broke the san no ito trying to tune it (C-G-C) and since I used that string to find the markers, it may be off since it clearly had not settled lol oh well.

Anyway here I am having some fun with the Kuroishiu Yosare Bushi first 8 measures practice lesson LOL love this thing …

Everything looks like a good deal ! By the way Rob may I ask where you find the side dots for the classical guitar neck ?

Thanks Patrick. I got the fret dot markers from Rosette …

So stoked - turns out that one of my ukulele stands fits the shamisen pretty good. Not prefectly flush but secure enough …

It’s got some rubber tape all along the contact areas too …

Not sure I’m comfortable leaving it like that for storage since I have cujo the cat, but for sure while I’m noodling around on the internet playing to tab or something.

This one is made by Kala but I think they just brand it and there’s a bunch of different ones out there.

Thanks for the info, Rob… Oooooh, totally off topic, but it looks like a nice flamenco guitar…

lol thank you sir. nothing fancy its a Saez Marin. but i play mostly classical and just pretend to actually understand flamenco lol.

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