Pre-war shamisen recordings

Hello to all fellow Shamisen enthusiasts!

I was wondering if there are any Shamisen (or general Japanese) recordings made before the Second World War. During my research I found the following links which seem to contain some information:

http://arbiterrecords.org/?p=961

http://www.forcedexposure.com/bin/search.pl?search_string=japanese+1941&searchfield=keyword

Is there any similar collections like the ones in the second link, that someone could point me to? I’m especially interested in recordings featuring only shamisen and singing (or maybe some koto too).

For reference, I post a 1928 blues song parallel to that era from the famous Gus Cannon. I love the novelty of these old gramophone records!

There’s a CD of 1903 recordings made by a troupe that was visiting Paris at the time. It has English and Japanese liner notes, and is worth tracking down if you are into this sort of thing. It’s out of print, I think, but you can still hear 45-second samples of the 28 tracks here for the time being:

Scroll down to the song list and click on the blue lettering. Track 12 contains what might be the earliest recorded shamisen solo.

Farside music (http://www.farsidemusic.com/) is an English site that has a lot of CD reissues of old recordings, though they are pricey.

Thank you for the information! I enjoy searching for old records, so I might try to find the 1903 CD. The FARSIDE 78" collections is what I was talking about and I’m glad this stuff has been preserved.

Hello, Gerry McGoldrick! The sample tracks sound very weird. Impossibly high tuning by today’s standards. Compared to today’s shamisens, those sound like ukuleles compared to guitars. The nagauta singing is also very…what shall I say, different?

Hello to OP and everyone else! I have some old 78 rpm discs of nagauta with hayashi that I have never heard. Does equipment for these still exist? Any info would be helpful!

This is fascinating stuff! But sadly, this is another prime example of very valuable info being shared and then lost here on the forum. The first links as well as Gerry’s link goes back like a month ago and I consider it vitally important as it gives us a chance to hear the past and even as Gerry said quite possibly the first Shamisen solo ever recorded. Yet somehow I am sure I am finding it for the first time. Which means I must have missed it last month. Damn! There’s something ominous about that. This bachido site forum sometimes behaves like grains of sand trickling through our fingertips. Oh well I have already brought up the issue of some kind of organization here and I know Kyle has ideas about this so don’t want to bug him further. But just sayin…

Perhaps a Special Gerry McGoldrick section of Bachido? I know he was one of Kyle’s candidates for articles etc. I Definately would love to hang out somewhere that was all G. McG. 24 hours of McGoldrick! I know from hanging with him in the past that he has tons of writings, access to tons of recordings and some very valuable insights into this stuff!
I am working with Kyle on some ideas to create a little “Andy Rooney” type corner for me to endulge in expressing my thoughts and sharing video links to my work and lessons and whatnot. I Would love it if Gerry also has his own kind of Bachido corner to go crazy with and share all the stuff that only trickles down little by little here on the forum.

corners great idea . . . of course the problem with this forum is also that it is so great also overall I mean each post (almost) and so many levels and awesome aspects for each of which one cannot create a forum section but yeah some organization would be cool and cool that this is in the works . . .

Hi John. You probably don’t remember me, but I met you in 1993 when I had just started playing. It seemed to me that you’d already been playing for a very long time, and that was 20 years ago now! You were an inspiration to me at the time: here was a non-Japanese who could really play this impossible instrument - maybe I stood a chance at it after all!
About the recordings, they were done by Kawakami Otojiro’s troupe, who had to play all sorts of music, so I’m not sure how faithful their versions are to the standard playing of the time. There’s another collection that was recorded just three years later, actually in Japan, with artists from each genre. It’s Japanese title was [日本吹込み事始 1903年ガイズバーグ・レコーディングス], translated as “1903 FIRST JAPANESE RECORDINGS BY FREDERICK GAISBERG”, and it came out in 2001 both as a giant 11-CD set that cost a fortune, and as a one-CD sampler. You can hear snippets from the sampler here:

About your Nagauta 78s, the record player has experienced a bit of a renaissance in the last few years, so it’s not that hard to find a cheap player (under 20,000 yen) that will play them. But even with a regular record player, you can record them to your computer at 33 or 45 rpm and digitally speed them up to 78 rpm. There are a lot of free programs that do this. Send me a message if you need more information about it.

Kevin: Thanks for the kind words! I always enjoy your posts here. I think a lot of what I am working on might be interesting to you and a few others, but boring for most of the bachido audience, so I just chime in when I think I can add something useful to the conversation. I’m looking forward to your Andy Rooney Corner - I can hear him now: (in a high-pitched, whiny voice) "What’s with those little twisted pieces of paper they tie around new strings ? I can never seem to unwind them, and end up just tearing them off in frustration! "

Hey, Gerry! Thanks for remembering me! I just listened to a couple of snippets on your second link. I suspect the playback speed is not right on the Echigo Jishi sample–the sound of the drums made it clear. The Ozatsuma sample is a bit better. I heard similar problems with the nagauta samples on your first link as well. Could it be a software glitch, or in the original recordings? Anyway, thanks for the advice about playing 78 records!