woods, glues, laminating

Building/Repair
#1

hi there
me AGAIN, yes, i’m still being annoying…

Question for woodworkers:

What type of glue do you use for laminating?

i’m familiar with working with wood but have never worked with glues or laminates. i have several ideas but i would need to laminate some wood first.

Each place i’ve looked at says different things from each person.

What advice if any can you guys suggest?

(p.s for those wondering, i’m teaching myself all about woods etc with help from my dad who has worked with it for years. I’m used to power tools on the finer hobby scale rather than household D.I.Y size and more familiar with metals and their mallability. i don’t want to go as far as making a whole shamisen, just bachi and maybe one day koma.)

#2

Well if i need to laminate some pieces of wood i always use Tite bond original glue , it works great and almost looks transparents when dry , it’s very easy to clean up too .

Ho and every people have its own favorite glue , there are some classic such has the tite bond but it’s up to what people like to work with and think it’s easier to work with , but if you want to make your bachi i would really recommand the tite bond instead of some typical wood glue you can find everywhere , because the tite bond is very easy to sand and to clean up , when you are pressing the wood to glue , you can clean the sweating glue with water .

#3

I use Titebond as well, they make a wood version of it, Titebond III, works wonders!

#4

me AGAIN, yes, i’m still being annoying…

Amanda! Perish the thought! Remember, it’s shami-relevant! :slight_smile:

I agree. Tite bond is the best. There’s actually a study to show it! It’s fascinating. http://www.oldbrownglue.com/pdf/HowStrongisYourGlue_FWW.pdf

#5

been researching glues all this week @___@
For one style i’ve narrrowed it down to titebond polyurethane for the mixed media bachi and titebond 3 for the wood.
All clamped and laminated together before cutting.

#6

anyone know of a type of plastic substitute for tortoiseshell? I’ve been looking and looking for something n the softer end of the hardness spectrum and struggling.

#7

there is still cellulose, it’s often use to make guitars picks , and some can be soft as you need and look like tortoise shell . But i don’t know where to buy a cellulose sheet to make picks or bachi , the only thing that can be buy in a sheet (as far as i know) is to make pickguards, and you can find it here for example: http://www.allparts.com/Tortoise-Pickguard-Blank-p/pg-0095-043.htm

the main problem is that it is very expensive, and it’s in three layers glued together .

#8

yes i i toyed with the idea of that material and i don’t think it’s suitable after emailing back and forth.

I DID however email the producer of an epoxy compound sheet deliberately designed to mimic tortoiseshell, i’m waiting to hear back from them. it comes in all the correct thicknesses AND they can make to order etc.

#9

ha good news , let us know ifyou get news from them.

#10

Awesome news!!

I know I may sound like a broken record, but if there are any results/responses, post a video or let us know. :slight_smile: I for one am very intrigued by this.

#11

i haven’t had a reply from the makers yet but one of the guitar places that supply sheets in the USA got back to me with a teeny bit of info.

Subject: RE: TORTIS

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:09:46 -0700

Amanda,
The Tortis’s are made primarily of System 3 Epoxy and we are not sure what kind of tinting they use for the color. I have looked for information but this is as much as I know at this time.

I’d assume that it has a similar softness and flexibility as it’s made to mimic tortoiseshell.
It’s about $37 for the 4½” x 7 1/2” (11.5 x 19cm)
and sheets are 8mm thick to 1.14cms thick

Any advice on the thickness i’d need?
Personally i’d go for the thickest so i can sand it down and buff it a little.

#12

:-O! Tortis! I didn’t know they could be ordered as a sheet. I’ve used Tortis flatpicks. It was many years ago and wasn’t quite the same as my tortoise shell flatpick, but was quite fine. Definitely would be worthwhile to see how it’d work for a bachi!

whistle 8mm thick! That’s awesome. I think the tip is only about ~3mm thick, I can measure tomorrow.
(Just to clarify for those just joining, we’re only talking about bachi.)

Do you have access to a bench belt sander? If so, I’d agree to go for the thickest piece, as you can evenly remove a lot (Bachi makers use a belt sander with a very fine grit belt to remove material). If not, 8mm may be just fine. 1.14cm would be an awful lot of handsanding.

#13

after i visited a very interesting website with agate, wood, horn, shell, mother of pearl guitar picks, i got an oddment of buffalo horn…

i was quite inspired…

quartersawn oak is ready to be cut out
boxwood in the post
buffalo horn in the post (blade edge only of bachi)
olive wood in the post ( can’t remember the size, think it’s blade size)
Amarello (WOOOT strong and YELLOW and slightly irritant) in the post.

I’ve been very lucky in that i’ve managed to get these oddments at the right sizes at VERY reasonable cost

Yes i have an edge sander/belt sander at hand as well as polishing mops of various kinds and compound
It’s an ongoing project and i do a little bit each day in planning etc and it’s coming together

#14

Whoa, late response on my part.

Whoa! What’s the name of that website? I haven’t heard of a MoP guitar pick. Might be fun to try.

Sweet! I’d like to check out your workshop when I attend a UK Bachido Mini-Fest! :slight_smile: Sounds like it’s well equipped.

#15

we had a power cut yesterday so i started by hand about halfway through and made a right mess of the mortise and tenon joint le sigh

Gerry pointed me towards a VERY interesting series of pics about how they insert the bekko and handles together which is INVALUABLE to me for making composite bachi. (much easier than this wood business . . .)

i WISH it was well equipped!!! I found that half my dads tools were either broken (not repairable) or given to my brother so i’m shambling along outside with a mixture of hand an power tools as the rest are dads miniature boat making tools and too fine for my needs. (has been looking at bandsaws all day)

The link for all the plectrums are:
http://www.timber-tones-shop.com/shell-tones-36-c.asp

They do some interesting materials if that’s your interest.

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