Question for Members - Weekly Lessons

Hi everyone! I hope y’all are doing well. I just had a question relating to the Bachido Schoolhouse, Weekly Lessons in particular.

I’ll just clarify that this is a question of curiosity, no pressure intended. :slight_smile:

Last year or so, several members had expressed interest in weekly, regular instruction from instructors. So, in answering the request, we (the Certified Bachido Instructors) have made regular, weekly lessons chock full of instruction!

Surprisingly, very few people have been using them. I’ve been wondering why. They’re quite affordable, and with a money-back guarantee, I assumed more people would’ve tried them.

Again, there is no guilt-tripping or anything of the sort intended. To clarify, I’m not saying you should use the Weekly Lessons. I’m just curious why there’s been relatively little interest to try them.

So, I would like to ask everyone for thoughts or reasons why. In other words, if you practice shamisen but haven’t tried a Weekly Lesson yet, why not? What would you like to learn that’s not currently covered in the lessons?

We at Bachido are all like family, so please don’t be afraid to be honest. :slight_smile: As always, we just want to make Bachido as awesome as possible, so any constructive criticism is requested and greatly appreciated!

Thanks for your help!
Kyle

Hm maybe I’m not the only one who is practicing little often or at times not even often . . . :slight_smile:

I would rather subscribe to one longer show served each month than committing to a subscription plan of weekly ones . . .

say you do a one hour show featuring a couple of sections each month you make available on demand for 10 dollars and also offer a subscription plan for future ones for 6 months and 12 months in advance at 5 dollars a show and a couple of stickers with the 12 months subscription plan . . .

another idea could be offering a 3 or 5 or 10 lessons of my choice package for picking and choosing from already available on demand lessons . . .

anyway those are just some ideas for promoting the purchase of more than one video at once as for future ones or earlier ones but I think whatever format of videos and whatever release system those are all contents of timeless value that you are producing there and with them available on demand individually also and forever things can sum up over time even in case of a disappointing initial release response . . . some of the greatest movies had a dissapointing theatrical run only to gather overall profit and cult status through dvd and blue ray sales over time so I think your efforts will be an overall success even if some of them may only clearly become that in the long run . . .

Well I’m still waiting on my Sakura Shamisen so… Haha. But when I do get it I’m going for the full courses first to get my basics and ground going. Then I’ll jump on the individuals too. But for me the full courses seem more attractive because it goes step by step to reach a goal while individual lessons are like the cherries on top of the sundae to widen your skills set.

As a shami-noob individual lessons might seem overwhelming since we don’t know where exactly to start and where to go next, they seem more random. Would be cool to have it in order to skill lvl or difficulty, something like that maybe. Not that I wont jump on the individual lessons eventually but first the full courses seem more attractive.

As a fellow shami-noob, I agree with having some sort of skill level indicator for lessons. I like the pick and choose approach since I’m probably more likely to use the videos as references that I can watch over and over again instead of like I’m binge watching a series on Netflix I’ll only see once. For now at least, I’m more interested in learning traditional shamisen pieces and methods as I get to know the instrument. It sounds weird, but feel as if the older pieces are the basics I need to get down before experimenting with different styles and music theory.

So far I’ve picked up “Advanced Kamashi” which has been really helpful in giving me some techniques to practice. In fact I wouldn’t mind seeing more warm up or drill focused lessons so I have something to focus on that can help my technique as I’m learning songs. I found a video from James Low in the forums that went over warm ups and practice regimens that I found helpful. I’d be interested in seeing something along those lines. Reigen Fujii’s video on Proper Form or the Bachizuke video might be my next purchase. The Nitta Ryu Intensive sounds interesting, but I feel pretty comfortable with some of the content or it’s repeated elsewhere.

Of course more songs are welcome. I wouldn’t mind seeing more of the songs in Kyle’s book played and having the techniques broken down.

Hello!

I think it’s just the community is small in numbers.
And I can imagine the number of really active and dedicated people is very little (just a guess). Those who really want to master the instrument take lessons directly from instructors.
And the casual players just go at their pace.

Anyway recently I decided to invest time into playing shamisen after a long break and was delighted to see so many new educational materials. I’m going to get some new lessons soon. Thank you for your work.

I am also guilty of not practicing as much as I should. So a weekly lesson would be difficult for me to keep up with. Especially working 56 hours a week as I am right now. :). That said, I was not even aware that there were weekly lessons available! I know many people get way too much email, but I personally wouldn’t mind a sane number of marketing emails from Bachido!

Yay! Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!! Very interesting thoughts, I really appreciate it!

Bundling: The idea of a bundle is very intriguing. Initially, I was planning on having an hour-long lesson once/month, but I heard from several people that it would be too long for most (can be difficult for some people to get even 15 minutes of free time). I really like the idea of having a bundle option, where people can choose 10 videos and get a nice discount, or something like that! Perhaps at the end of the year, I could also bundle together each teacher’s entire season of lessons, for those who’d like to binge watch them all in order.

Skill level: Aah… excellent point! In reading all your replies, I see that one thing missing from the Schoolhouse is lack of information. I’m gonna talk with my brother Luke about that. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a slider, easiest on the left and slides to hardest on the right (or vice-versa), which could automatically filter lessons based on a difficulty tag! Some lessons, especially mine, have been arranged for multiple skill levels (approaching subjects from the bottom up, so everyone has something to learn), but simply having a way to give people any idea of the average difficulty would be great. At least, it’d give folks more confidence about what they’re checking out. Excellent idea!

Order of Lessons: Ah, this part of the Schoolhouse is also suffering from lack of info. Some instructors (like Ten Ten and Mike) are intentionally arranging their lessons in order as a series. Unfortunately, it’s not easy to see that from the simplified Schoolhouse page. Perhaps it will be much more clear when the lessons are provided as sets. Then, the order of lessons in each set is very evident. In any case, it should be presented more clearly. I’ll talk about this with Luke too. Good point!

Emails: Yeah, that’s something I should really start doing. Personally, I hate (well, ‘strongly dislike’ would be more polite) getting promotional emails, so that’s kept me from doing the same. :stuck_out_tongue: However, after some other awesome Bachido projects are completed, Luke will be constructing a Bachido Blog, which will feature text, pictorial and video insights and instruction right to your email on a bi-monthly basis. Perhaps I could feature the newest Schoolhouse lesson there as a non-intrusive way to remind folks as they get their regular dose of information.

Thank you so much, BH, Edgardo, Joel, KH and Tom! I’m inspired!!
Bachi on!!

sounds good!

Think lack of marketing and the proper skill level are issues too, but also the small potential market size and the lessons not being exactly what one wants are main issues too. The western shamisen scene (think japanese market has potential for Bachido too) needs to grow a lot before lessons on very specific subjects can really fly.

In other words, the lessons are a really valuable repository and like BH says, they can have very long term potential. Because I can’t see why people wouldn’t want to learn old shamisen songs 50 years from now, unless the easy possibilities to make your own music electronically really take over.

Personally I would like to see nagauta or kouta content, and I think there’s plenty of Bachido members with similar bias. But it’s not a core issue for the lessons I think, just goes to show that the shamisen market is quite splintered to different styles.

Courses don’t suffer from the problems that much, because they are aimed more towards beginners and kind of form a standard curriculum that most people follow. It doesn’t matter if you ultimately have 0 interest in tsugaru or minyou, you can anyway learn a song or two in the beginning just because it’s the best material that’s available. Personally I’m thinking to take the Nitta technique course in the mid-term, looks like it could be the best bang for buck in the entire Bachido catalog. But other than that I’m mostly grinding a few pieces based on tabs and then doing whatever ad hoc improvisation I come up with.

So far I’ve tried just two of the lessons.

“Three string baroque” was just a basic skill level issue. I started on it, then soon realized it’s a bit challenging or you need to be able to play fast in order to sound like anything. In the beginning the rate at which you can play (with Gion Kouta I’m breaking to the theoretical range of 120 notes per minute, should help in the long run) is a big limiter, and it seems it rules out a lot of western/modern music (copyrights being another issue).

Now “Strumming”, in principle, is an awesome lesson. Partly because it’s suitable for real beginners - a month on shamisen and you’ll have no difficulty repeating a single position once per each measure and so on. No rocket science here. In part, it also makes a 180 degree turn versus the overall Bachido/Monsters of Shamisen approach. It’s all about shamisen as an ensemble (supporting/accompanying) instrument, not a solo or shamisen-only setting like all other material tends to be. (From here we can get to interesting philosophical points that could concern Bachido as a whole.) However, I recall chords being a big part of the lesson, and I really could not find any that would suit to the pieces I tried playing along to. So I gave up about half way through the lesson. That said I’ve been playing along to my favourite enka pieces A LOT. While this hasn’t advanced my shamisen playing in any objective terms, I’ve felt certain musical development and of course it’s given confidence into a broader use of the instrument. You don’t have to be a star level player to jump into a band and start to have fun with your friends - think this is often overlooked. So you could say the $5 for the lesson has more than served its purpose in the end.

Looking at the titles of the now already quite impressive collection of lessons, I’d think there’s a few that could benefit me at the current stage. But so far I’ve been waiting and trying to build a better base before I jump to more lessons - finding the right ones is an issue and in any case the time spent on lessons would be taken away from the other types of learning I’m trying to do.

A monthly newsletter with a matter of fact list of new lessons and Bachido products would be very welcome, maybe with some discussion about whom the particular lessons are best suited to.

There used to be a list of shamisen songs on Bachido, arranged in level of difficulty, but it seems that it’s at least not linked anywhere any more. Came closest to specifying any kind of curriculum here.

Perhaps we, the community, should talk about courses and lessons more, too. The Schoolhouse forum has a total of 4 threads! If you want to learn X, but are not sure which lesson or approach is the best, just ask. Same if you’re wondering about a particular lesson or such, maybe somebody else has already taken it.

Yup! Classification would be a great improvement I think. I was just about to suggest that you create a section for the lessons already bought on member’s profile too.

There is more lessons than before so I think it is time to create a certain organisation system to help people find what they want.

I have a general usability question. Is there a way to see all of my purchased lessons? From what I can tell, I have to dig through the Schoolhouse page to find them and there’s no indication of what I haven’t and haven’t bought.

Joel, this is exactly what my previous message says. There is no way yet to find it but Kyle will find a way to improve this and other ways to categorize the lessons so we can find it easily.

Ha, my bad. That’s what I get for skimming the messages too quickly. I blame Yatagarasu for the epic response. :stuck_out_tongue:

I have a general usability question. Is there a way to see all of my purchased lessons? From what I can tell, I have to dig through the Schoolhouse page to find them and there’s no indication of what I haven’t and haven’t bought.

If the categories for lessons get implemented, I have two others in mind:

-Completed (when the more advanced players with a few dozen lessons are done with a lesson and don’t want to highlight it any more in their list)
-Not interested (when you’re not planning to buy something and don’t want to see it in the list of lessons… which will be longer in the future)

From the marketing point of view, a Wishlist category might make more sense esp. if other users can see your wishlist. Also Recommended could be a good category if you think a lesson is really good and you’d urge other players to buy it too.

Hey Yatagarasu,

Yeah, I’m planning to set up a whole new category system for the Schoolhouse, as well as moving back to developing fully fleshed-out courses rather than weekly lessons. Because after all, Mike and Kevin’s etudes surely require more than one or two weeks to nail down. :slight_smile:

Oh! Though are great ideas. I like the idea of having a Completed button so it won’t be highlighted, as well as “Not Interested”.

I’ll share your ideas with the Boy Genius when he sets up the new Schoolhouse format! :slight_smile: